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CAO points for law, 2018 – Updated

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On 20 August 2018, the Central Applications Office (the CAO) issued the first round of offers of places in Ireland’s higher education institutions. It seems that CAO applications to Trinity fell by 8%, which was almost double the national 4.5% decrease, in part because Brexit has had an impact on course choices and applications. However, demand for law courses is generally up by an average of 3% overall. In the table below, I set out the points for law courses in the first round in the second-last column.

Update: On 30 August 2018, the Central Applications Office (the CAO) issued the second round of offers of places in Ireland’s higher education institutions. This round saw significant falls in points for some courses in Dublin and Cork, which may be due to the housing crisis in the high levels of rents and low levels of rental property supplies in those cities. In the table below, I set out the points for law courses in the second round in the last column.

Code Course
     College		 First Round Second Round
Level 8 Courses
AL851 Business & Law
     Athlone Institute of Technology		 300
AL853 Accounting & Law
     Athlone Institute of Technology		 377
CW708 Law-LLB
     Institute of Technology, Carlow		 298
CW938 Business with Law
     Institute of Technology, Carlow		 281
CK301 Law (Pathways)
     University College Cork		 495
CK302 Law & French
     University College Cork		 542
CK304 Law & Irish
     University College Cork		 507
CK307 Law & Business
     University College Cork		 542
DB514 Business Studies (Law)
     Dublin Business School		 252 200
DB568 Law
     Dublin Business School		 244 203
DC230 Economics, Politics & Law
     Dublin City University		 400
DC232 Law & Society (BCL)
     Dublin City University		 455
DC292 Arts (Joint Hons) Law
     Dublin City University		 351
DT321 Business & Law
     Dublin Institute of Technology		 463
DT532 Law (LLB)
     Dublin Institute of Technology		 430 419
GC403 Law (Dublin)
     Griffith College		 253 218
TR004 Law
     Trinity College Dublin		 533
TR017 Law & Business
     Trinity College Dublin		 577
TR018 Law & French
     Trinity College Dublin		 567 566*
TR019 Law & German
     Trinity College Dublin		 509
TR020 Law & Political Science
     Trinity College Dublin		 578
DN600 Law
     University College Dublin		 522 521*
DN610 Business & Law
     University College Dublin		 531*
GY250 Corp Law
     National University of Ireland, Galway		 409
GY251 Civil Law
     National University of Ireland, Galway		 451
LY208 Law
     Letterkenny Institute of Technology		 270
LC223 Law & Taxation
     Limerick Institute of Technology		 307
LM020 Law & Accounting
     University of Limerick		 440
LM029 Law Plus
     University of Limerick		 477
MH501 LLB Law
     Maynooth University		 451
MH502 Law
     Maynooth University		 420
WD140 Laws
     Waterford Institute of Technology		 290
Level 6 & 7 Courses
CW926 Business with Law
     Institute of Technology, Carlow		 208
LY207 LY207 Law – with Criminal Justice or Spanish or Irish
     Letterkenny Institute of Technology		 160

* Not all candidates on this point score were offered places.…

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Points for Law on the second round

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Central Applications Office animated logo, via their siteThe Central Applications Office (logo left) processes all applications to first year undergraduate courses in the country’s various third level institutions. Offers are made for places on courses based results in the Leaving Certificate. The first round of offers was August 20; and the acceptance deadline was August 27. By then, a record total of 37,645 applicants had accepted offers – more than three-quarters of the 49,862 offers made. This morning, the CAO made a second round of offers to another 1,185 college applicants. Effectively, for a few courses, the points level will have dropped. Very few law courses made second round offers, but the few changes to the points I set out in a previous post are as follows (the round 1 points are listed first; the round 2 points are listed second in bold):

            Points Required for Entry to 2012 Level 8 Courses



University College Cork
CK302 Law and French 515 500
CK304 Law and Irish 530* 530
CK305 Law (Clinical) 535 530
CK306 Law (International) 550* 550

Dublin Business School
DB514 Business and Law 235 195
DB568 Law 275 230

NUI Galway
GY250 Corporate Law 350 340…

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Points for Law

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Central Applications Office animated logo, via their siteThe Central Applications Office (logo left) processes all applications to first year undergraduate courses in the country’s various third level institutions. Those institutions inform the CAO of the number of places in a given course, and the CAO’s computer will allot places on the course on the basis of results in the Leaving Certificate, a state examination at the end of secondary school. The grades of the last-admitted candidate can be regarded as the cut-off for qualification for entry to that course. Those grades are assigned points, and the entry requirement for any given third-level course in any given year can be represented in terms of points. This year, the first round of offers of places in third level institutions was made this morning, and the cut-off points levels for their 44 50 law offerings are below.

            Points Required for Entry to 2012 Level 8 Courses

Athlone IT
AL057 Business and Law 270
AL058 Accounting and Law no points stated

Carlow IT
CW708 Law 305
CW938 Business with Law 315

University College Cork
CK301 Law 475
CK302 Law and French 515
CK304 Law and Irish 530*
CK305 Law (Clinical) 535
CK306 Law (International) 550*

Dublin Business School
DB514 Business and Law 235
DB568 Law 275

Dublin City University
DC230 Economics Politics and Law 390
DC232 Law and Society (BCL) 410

Dublin Institute of Technology
DT321 Business and Law 400
DT532 Law 350

Griffith College Dublin and Griffith College Cork
GC203 Law (Cork) 315
GC403 Law (Dublin) 305
GC404 Business and Law (Dublin) 250

Trinity College Dublin
TR004 Law 525*
TR017 Law and Business 565
TR018 Law and French 565
TR019 Law and German 525
TR020 Law and Political Science 575

University College Dublin
DN009 Law (BCL) 495
DN021 Business and Law 495
DN028 BCL Maîtrise 525
DN029 Law with French Law (BCL) 560
DN060 Law with History 500
DN065 Law with Politics 510
DN066 Law with Philosophy 495
DN067 Law with Economics 515

NUI Galway
GY101 Arts 300 (depending on subject choice and progression rules, this can lead to a BA in Legal Science)
GY250 Corporate Law 350
GY251 Civil Law 405

Limerick IT
LC231 Law and Taxation 305

University of Limerick
LM020 Law and Accounting 415
LM029 Law Plus 405

NUI Maynooth
MH115 Law (BCL) and Arts 460
MH 119 Law 475
MH406 Law and Business 460

Waterford Institute of Technology
WD140 Law 295


            Points Required for Entry to 2012 Level 7/6 Law Courses

Dublin Business School
DB580 Legal Studies 105
DB581 Legal and Business Studies 170
DB582 Legal Studies AQA
DB583 Legal and Business Studies 100

IT Carlow
CW706 Legal Studies 270
CW926 Business with Law 250

Letterkenny IT
LY207 Law 140

Waterford IT
WD013 Legal Studies 225


This list follows the order provided by the CAO.…

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Not by higher education alone?

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'Not by Bread Alone' book cover, via CoE websiteThe Bible tells Christians that ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God’ (Matthew 4:4). The aphorism is echoed in the title and plot of Vladimir Dudintsev’s anti-Stalist novel Not by Bread Alone. Now it is the main title of a recent book about the importance of higher education in developing modern societies built upon the fundamental values of democracy, human rights and the rule of law: Sjur Bergan Not by bread alone (Council of Europe higher education series No 17; 2011). Public debate often assumes that the only purpose of higher education is to prepare gradutes for employment, and this view feeds back into third-level entry requirements and second-level curricula. Hence, we see an increasing focus on “training” (rather than educating) graduates in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (with attendant risks to the arts, humanities, and social sciences). This third-level policy brings a concommitant focus at second-level on bonus CAO points for maths generating calls for bonus points for science and a compulsory leaving certificate science course (perhaps to the detriment of the study of foreign languages; and quite how this stands with the Minster for Education’s stated aim of moving away from the CAO points culture is unclear).…

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Futher points of law

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Central Applications Office animated logo, via their site

The CAO needs no introduction to the present generation of school-leavers or their parents. Since 1976 it has enabled our institutions of third-level learning to reconcile annually the choices of the hopefuls — more than 60,000 last year — seeking to embark on a chosen career path.

This is how Fennelly J began his judgment for the Supreme Court in Central Applications Office v Minister for Community Rural and Galeltacht Affairs [2010] IESC 32 (13 May 2010). The Court granted a declaration that respondent Minister did not have the power under the Official Languages Act, 2003 (also here) to designate the applicant as a public body subject to obligations imposed by the Act concerning the conduct of its affairs in both official languages. The CAO today publishes its second round of offers of third level places for the forthcoming academic year, and in the inauspicious technical landscape of a Supreme Court appeal, Fennelly J provided an excellent primer on the operations of the Central Applications Office (the CAO; logo, above left):

is a company limited by guarantee and is a non-profit body. It was formed in 1976 and is based in Galway. … The State has no responsibility for its operation.

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Making the point

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Central Applications Office animated logo, via their siteMany things about Ireland bemuse visitors to our shores. Two of the most difficult to explain are our electoral system and the programme by which third level places are allocated. I’ll leave the former to other election anoraks for the time being, but the latter is much in the news this week, so I’ll try to give a simple account of how it works.

The Central Applications Office (logo, above left) processes all applications to first year undergraduate courses in the country’s various third level institutions. In early summer, students at the end of their secondary (high) school careers sit a state examination, and the results are published in early August. During the course of that final year, most of the students will have filled in a list of their preferred third level courses and returned it to the CAO. In mid-August, the CAO assign university places to students based on their exam results.

Allocation of places is simply a function of demand and supply. A third level institution will inform the CAO of the number of places in a given course, and the CAO’s computer will allot places on the course to the highest qualified applicants who had applied for that course.…

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